Full-hardware support for DX9 may not necessarily mean full DX9 feature
support. It just means the card is compatible with DX9 and it may or may
not accelerate the various features that are included in DX9.

Too bad FS2004 isn't SLI compatible, that would solve A LOT of issues at
1600 x 1200.


"jkb" <nospam@none> wrote in message
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>> The 3DLabs units are nice, but will they work well with FS2004? They are
>> optimized for CAD/3D rendering so I don't know how well they'll perform
> for
>> games/sim like FS2004.
>
> They do full-hardware support for DX9, and I reckon that's what counts.
> FS2004 uses DX9. CAD people will use them because of there
> high-performance.
> If I had the money and wanted ultra game performance - 3DLabs Wildcat
> Realizm would be my choice.
>
> jkb
>
>

> Full-hardware support for DX9 may not necessarily mean full DX9 feature
> support. It just means the card is compatible with DX9 and it may or may
> not accelerate the various features that are included in DX9.

OK, my mistake - I meant full-feature support. Look here:
http://www.3dlabs.com/products/produ...rod=293&page=1. Browse around
and look at the datasheet.

Found a review that was interesting

"Until we are able to test the top-of-the-line NVIDIA and ATI graphics
cards, the Wildcat Realizm 800 is on the top of the heap. But keep in mind
that game developers will still prefer an NVIDIA or ATI based solution for
their superior DirectX support. Hopefully after we get the rest of the cards
together, our full review will be as interesting as our first look. Stay
tuned!"

DX has always been a weakness for these cards.




"jkb" <nospam@none> wrote in message
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>> Full-hardware support for DX9 may not necessarily mean full DX9 feature
>> support. It just means the card is compatible with DX9 and it may or may
>> not accelerate the various features that are included in DX9.
>
> OK, my mistake - I meant full-feature support. Look here:
> http://www.3dlabs.com/products/produ...rod=293&page=1. Browse around
> and look at the datasheet.
>
>

> DX has always been a weakness for these cards.

Who said that? I'd like to read that. TIA. DX being a weak point for a card
like that sounds funny.

Sounds about right to me -- DX is often limited and/or can't do what these
high end cards require/support. That's why game developers don't look at
them when coding for DX platforms.

Doesn't mean the card is weak, just means it's focused on specific
tasks/programs and those programs are not games/sims. It sure looks like
CAD and 3D rendering is the focus of these cards 4Kx4K textures.

Do a google search on "realizm 800 review" -- you'll find articles.

I may end up just getting SLI setup using the new 7800GTX and just disable
one card when running FS9, probably go with FX55 or FX57 CPU. FS9 also
doesn't seem to make use of memory above 1GB -- at least I haven't seen my
physical go above 1GB yet (sysmon). Since I'm having g2d.dll crashes to
desktop with FS9 now, it might be time to try an upgrade anyway.

"jkb" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> DX has always been a weakness for these cards.
>
> Who said that? I'd like to read that. TIA. DX being a weak point for a
> card
> like that sounds funny.
>
>

> Sounds about right to me -- DX is often limited and/or can't do what these
> high end cards require/support. That's why game developers don't look at
> them when coding for DX platforms.

DX isn't up to the workstation cards quality, yes. But the WCs should be
able to take DX like a breeze and wish for more.

> I may end up just getting SLI setup using the new 7800GTX and just disable
> one card when running FS9, probably go with FX55 or FX57 CPU. FS9 also
> doesn't seem to make use of memory above 1GB -- at least I haven't seen my
> physical go above 1GB yet (sysmon). Since I'm having g2d.dll crashes to
> desktop with FS9 now, it might be time to try an upgrade anyway.

You could try ATi's Crossfire and 2 256MB X850s. I don't know how good
Crossfire is in comparison to SLI, maybe a Google search would bring results
and reviews.

I'll look into that.

I was able to solve my crash to desktop with g2d.dll error -- had to turn
ATI Overdrive OFF and stability returned.



"jkb" <nospam> wrote in message
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>> Sounds about right to me -- DX is often limited and/or can't do what
>> these
>> high end cards require/support. That's why game developers don't look at
>> them when coding for DX platforms.
>
> DX isn't up to the workstation cards quality, yes. But the WCs should be
> able to take DX like a breeze and wish for more.
>
>> I may end up just getting SLI setup using the new 7800GTX and just
>> disable
>> one card when running FS9, probably go with FX55 or FX57 CPU. FS9 also
>> doesn't seem to make use of memory above 1GB -- at least I haven't seen
>> my
>> physical go above 1GB yet (sysmon). Since I'm having g2d.dll crashes to
>> desktop with FS9 now, it might be time to try an upgrade anyway.
>
> You could try ATi's Crossfire and 2 256MB X850s. I don't know how good
> Crossfire is in comparison to SLI, maybe a Google search would bring
> results
> and reviews.
>
>

> I was able to solve my crash to desktop with g2d.dll error -- had to turn
> ATI Overdrive OFF and stability returned.

Good for you.