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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=15855

Here's my favorite quote:

"Lee Wolf, another College Republicans member, described one of the women on Monday as shouting, 'The only way we can defeat you is to kill as many as possible! I'd rather die a suicide bomber's death than to call myself an American!'"

It warms the soul to know that our future will someday be in these student's capable and consistent hands.
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that frontpagemag site is full of such bullshit. i clicked to the homepage and it was filled with anti-islam articles all over it!! who reads this complete bullshit ??!

can you really trust anything that was written in that article? the bias in it was apparent from the start which means that none of the quotations can be trusted. all i saw was the stupidly repeated use of sarcastic quotations, just like every other article on that site (e.g. "'mourning' arafat").

i also read some of the responses to this article on the rightnation.us forums. these people who read about events like what happened at sfsu love to blow everything out of proportion and make stupid generalisations like all muslims are evil and islam is the religion of the anti-christ.

people like them should stop being so belligerent and blaming all the world's muslims for the actions of a few radicalists (if the reports are to be believed) who were protesting for their oppressed people not in the name of Islam.

it makes me sick when i browse at sites like rightnation.us (there is a few of these) and see how much anti-Islam/Muslim sentiment there is out there on the net and in the western world.

Taken from http://www.rightnation.us/forums/ind...howtopic=59689:
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" Perhaps when the Marines get done with Falujah they can clean out San Fransisco State."
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"As the father of a high school senior I fear for what she will face next year. Didn't the arabs support Hitler in WWII, and have a pet name for him?"
OMG every single Arab in the world must be a NAZI and all of today's germans too!!
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"My first gut instinct, when viewing that one picture of that "female" getting ready to spit on someone, is to fill her stupid face with my fist."
What a bunch of idiots. These people are the real neo-Nazis, because they share the same racist views as a group of skinheads or KKK.

(Oh, and by the way, if you think what I said is biased, I'm not a Muslim. )
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Geez, I hope you're right steryos and that this didn't really happen. But I'm confused on how you would explain the pictures. But then again, I think you agree that the demonstration happened (as described in the article), yet you have a complaint against another web site?

While I would have to agree that this sounds an awful lot like a case of "he said, she said", why are you so quick to condemn the author of the piece? Because zealots and idiots read it? I read it a couple times and didn't find any "stupidly repeated... sarcastic quotations". Nor any accusations toward "all the world's muslims for the actions of a few radicalists".

Of course, FrontPageMag is considered a "conservative online magazine". However, does that mean that none of their reporting can be trusted? Is it the same for liberal news sources with obvious liberal bias? None of it is to be trusted? I guess before I dismiss this entire article as "bullshit" I would like at least a little evidence of false reporting. Do you have any?

Let me ask you, do you think it's possible that everything happened exactly as the article alleges? And, if so, would that be okay?
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that frontpagemag site is full of such bullshit. i clicked to the homepage and it was filled with anti-islam articles all over it!! who reads this complete bullshit ??!
Apparently you do. Way to keep the bad guys in business...
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It is very likely that they dont rely on popularity to survive. It is much more likely that they are funded privately who consider that use of their money a priority.
So read or not, they are independent.
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to start off with, i think my opinion on the frontpagemag site at the time was influenced by my having just finished reading posts on the rightnation.us forums. i'm also sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians which is why i was so dismissive of everything that was said.

"Let me ask you, do you think it's possible that everything happened exactly as the article alleges? And, if so, would that be okay?"

i think it may have been possible that it happened as the article said. nevertheless, i'm not about to go believing everything that was said, because some of the quotes and accounts of events sounded a bit suss. such as:
'Lee Wolf, another College Republicans member, described one of the women on Monday as shouting, “The only way we can defeat you is to kill as many as possible! I’d rather die a suicide bomber’s death than to call myself an American!” He continued, “In my opinion, these were terrorist threats.”
That sounds a bit too convenient considering what the goals of a College Republicans member and the author appear to be. For example, the author attempts to liken the Palestinian contingent to someone whom the readers of his newspaper would describe as being a terrorist, Yasser Arafat, by making a point of how they were wearing keffiyahs. ('“They were all around us wearing black and white keffiyahs like Arafat wears,” said Finarelli.') (A few articles describing Arafat as a terrorist have been written recently on that site.) (the wearing of the keffiyah has become a symbol of rebellion against the oppressors, pretty much. just because some terrorists wear it doesn't mean everyone who wears it is a terrorist, e.g. italian university students have been known to wear keffiyahs which they called "arafiti's" when protesting.)
so, to answer your question, i can't really say whether i think it would be OK if the events did in fact unfold as reported -- disregarding any probable taunting by the Republican members. if any of the protestors assaulted the Republicans members then i'm not about to condone that, but i would also take into account some of the experiences that the Palestinian protestors (as these are the only people mentioned to have allegedly committed assault) might have gone through before branding them as terrorists, as the article, in my opinion, attempted to do. for example, whether they are in america as refugees / political asylum seekers (or whatever the term is) or are born in the US, some may have experienced firsthand the violence in their homeland, or had relatives that were victims of it, which explains where this anger while protesting stems from.

"I read it a couple times and didn't find any "stupidly repeated... sarcastic quotations". Nor any accusations toward "all the world's muslims for the actions of a few radicalists"."

the sarcastic quotes i was referring to were present on the opening page of the site where overviews of the articles are given. (i don't know if 'sarcastic quotes' is what i'm trying to say. i'm referring to something like "'mourning' arafat", which i found to be distasteful.)

and the "accusations toward all the world's Muslims", i felt, were part of the general theme of the opening page of the site. the section i was looking at was under the heading "The War at Home and Abroad" (which is positioned on the page in such a way that it appears to be the main features of the paper). Every article, even today, listed in this section is related to Muslims in some way. This makes sense considering that's who your Government is at war with, Muslims in general (due to their support of Israel, the war in iraq/afghanistan, occupations of muslim countries in the past), which is why these protesting Palestinians and others were protesting so passionately. (Various other groups were reported to have been present even though the article focused mainly on the Palestinians. It's therefore possible that other people who are not members of the GUPS (General Union of Palestinian Students) were behaving badly.)

But, I have heard of how much of the media in the US (perhaps also due in part to your Government's "Homeland Security Threat" thing) has been reporting the news in such a way as to evoke fear so I suppose by now you guys are pretty used to this kind of stuff.


But yeh, i don't read partisan newspapers and i stop reading or listening to articles in the news if what i see is in my eyes, biased bullshit, which is why i probably couldn't help myself but to unleash on this author. i like to hear the facts from both sides, which i dont think is unreasonable, but this was not delivered in this jihad article -- which probably sounds naive as i realise media ilke this exists, but this is what got me started on my rant in the first place.
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this is not surprising, the national socialists in the 1930s in germany used exactly the same methods: intimidating their political rivals and preventing them from campaigning.

todays' socialists have just taken up where hitlers national socialists left up:

Protestors Ransack Bush/Cheney Headquarters In Orlando

Shots fired at Knoxville Bush-Cheney office; no one hurt

Tire-slashing questions await Democrats' sons

Vandals Hit GOP Headquarters in N.Carolina
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that frontpagemag site is full of such bullshit. i clicked to the homepage and it was filled with anti-islam articles all over it!! who reads this complete bullshit ??!
Thats racist, who-ever made or allowed something like this should burn in hell.
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Thats racist, who-ever made or allowed something like this should burn in hell.
For some reason, I thought that was incredibly funny.
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Some underlings must be excluded from the human species to let democracy shine.
There is no other way. Racism as the action of excluding someone from his/her nature has been born with democracy and will last as long as democracy.
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